What is the logic behind Deja Vu

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  • Hey, I noticed the following, I'll try to explain, not that easy

    Well, the film is going through some stages of investigation.
    In the "reality" Danzel initially receives the message about a call from an unknown woman, later he finds out who she is himself. He comes in, bloody towels are lying around. He is called later and is said to have left a lot of fingerprints. He goes to this boathouse and the ambulance thundered into it.
    So I mean by that, even the initial version of the film narration already overlaps with what happens "later", the present has already been changed by himself.
    Except for one point, you have to think back to the beginning of the film, this sequence that almost anticipates the tragedy: the explosion.
    If his time was already changed by himself, then the misfortune should never have happened as it was. After all, he himself had already been there, so why could you see that a van, without anyone in it, ticked and exploded and dragged hundreds of people to their deaths and also his partner died there when the partner was shot in front of the van and Danzel himself prevented the whole tragedy. I don't understand how both should work, Danzel is already in its time but the accident still happens normally?
    Clearly, it is ideal for finding tension, at the beginning there are pieces of the puzzle and they are put together later, but the largest part of them all ..?
    Pls correct if I am wrong

  • I know what you mean.

    If his time was already changed by himself, then the misfortune should never have happened as it was.

    His time was not really changed. I think it's more like he's investigating the case from a parallel universe and "fixing" the reality of our universe. After all, he dies here, but his counterpart will never travel into the past, let alone learn anything about this time travel device. ... ... ... Now I am wondering if his own universe is caught in a time loop. : confused:

    The same problem exists in the movie "Timeline" too. Solution theories are partly in "Back to the Future 2" and in "Donnie Darko".
    Especially with "Donnie Darko" this parallel universe is similar to "Deja vu". Namely limited in time.

    P.S. This is just my under-qualified interpretation of this paradox.

  • Volley,

    I found the film as a film very exciting and great, but I also have problems with the process.

    I can still just imagine that he didn't jump back for the first time, but already several times, but he couldn't prevent the tragedy. So it makes sense that the ambulance goes up in the house and also that the bloody towels are with her in the bathroom.

    BUT,
    How can it be on the one hand that her body is found an hour before the tragedy, but at the same time she calls the colleague in the office and wants to hear a description and shortly afterwards speaks to the AB when your friend calls.

    Now one could say, maybe she was killed and found straight away after the call, but why are you missing your fingers?

    ---

    I just don't know if this film was really not completely thought through, or if I'm thinking too much or what the maker was thinking.

    Because on the one hand I was very captivated by the film and I thought it was GREAT, on the other hand, since I've been thinking about the film, I have more and more questions!

  • BUT,
    how can it be on the one hand that her body is found an hour before the tragedy, but at the same time she calls the colleague in the office and wants to hear a description and shortly afterwards speaks to the AB when your friend calls.

    This call is only made after Denzel saved her. Before that she was already dead and Denzel didn't know anything about her.

    Now one could say, maybe she was killed and found straight away after the call, but why are you missing your fingers?

    No, she was killed before the call. But Denzel was just able to prevent that in the future through his journey into the past.

  • that may be the answer to his questions, but how about what I wrote at the beginning?
    So there seems to be no really acceptable explanation yet

  • There will probably only be the same explanations for this film as for Donnie Darko.

  • in fact? ******** well thought out?

  • I just saw déjà vu ...

    and while watching I didn't even notice this fulmenant mistake ... everything made sense to me ... but now in retrospect I have also encountered this mistake ... I even recorded this "forgiveness theory" from the film, which yes as you can see in the end, applies to this film ... it doesn't work that way ... he can't see things before he has traveled back in time ... or he can't see the hot woman's corpse at the same time Find and a little later the "exploded" house with the ambulance, because that happened in a different past (related to the accident) ...

    even with a parallel universe i can't explain it to myself ... i haven't seen the film "Donnie Darko" ... i would be interested in the explanation ... that's why i came across this forum ... i want to know if this "apparent" error can still be explained or whether it is really a mistake ...

    I just remembered that the endu would just have to be chosen differently ... both would have to die and the assassin would have to survive ... then everything would run again logically and carlin is simply dead after he makes the journey through time ... but then it wouldn't be a hollywood film with a happy ending

  • Hello my dears,
    I have just thought about this question and have come to the following solution:
    The film only makes sense and your questions are answered if you assume that the first time you interfered with the note. The second timeline was created by interfering with the note, the good Denzel can then be transferred to the second timeline, which was observed all the time from the first timeline. The film begins in the first timeline with the explosion, which is also taking place there, and ends in the second timeline, in which the explosion takes place under water. From the explosion in the first timeline (also before that, of course, only that is where the film begins) to the "beaming" into the other timeline, there is a Denzel in timeline one, after that there is no more there. In the second timeline, which begins with the interference, there is one Denzel from the interference to the "beaming", then two "Denzels" until the explosion and then only the real one from the second timeline. The second Denzel, who beamed from the first timeline, is dead.
    I hope you could roughly follow me ?! It's best to paint it on yourself, then you can understand it more easily ...
    Greetings from Kiki: roll:

  • This call is only made after Denzel saved her. Before that she was already dead and Denzel didn't know anything about her.

    No, she was killed before the call. But Denzel was just able to prevent that in the future through his journey into the past.

    Volley, wisp,

    ne that's not entirely true!
    Denzel is in her apartment for the first time and hears the tape!
    Then your friend speaks on the tape, whereupon she picks up on the call and says briefly: "Everything is okay!"
    This is exactly the same contribution as the one that the viewer later gets when Denzel has made the time jump and is standing next to her.

    !!! So on the one hand this tape recording is there (where Denzel should stand next to you) and at the same time the corpse with the missing finders !!! THAT WILL NOT DO!

    Furthermore, I haven't seen the movie "Donnie Darko" either

    Ciao gio_g

  • ne that's not entirely true!

    As Doc Emmet Brown always said: "Marty, you have to think four-dimensionally!"

    The call is made after the prevented murder of the woman. The woman was previously dead, so Denzel was in her apartment for the first time and was able to read the message that he will write to himself from the past in the future. Since Denzel later saved her life in the past, she was able to make this call when Denzel was with her in her apartment. To put it like Madame Kiki: It was the other timeline (ZidZ and Doc Brown send their regards ).

    Madame Kiki's explanation was very good.

    HackATack
    A time paradox is very difficult to film without encountering plausibility errors.

    In "Timeline" a grave is found on which a knight with only one ear and his bride are carved. According to the tradition told by the professor, this bride died during a siege.
    It later turns out that the earless knight is from the future and you save your life. So either the grave should not exist, or the tradition.

    In "Donnie Darko" an airplane turbine from the future falls into his room. His mother and sister are sitting on the plane. This film cannot be explained. Watch a couple of times (but first the theatrical version, the DC is not that good)!

    "Terminator": How can a machine be sent back in time if the basis for this supercomputer is the chip from the future? Actually, he could never have gone into the past because the technology for developing this part was not yet advanced enough.

    "ZidZ 2": Why is there Marty in the future if no Marty has grown old in the past?

    "The time machine": Why does he disappear with the time machine? Actually it should always be visible like a statue!