Why did you stand seventeen


Written by joso1 on January 21, 2012, 12:14 pm
 

Re: He confessed? He confessed!

answer fromKatrin Japan on January 21, 2012, 12:20 pm

He confesses - he has confessed

He stands - he has stood

CORRECT

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Re: He confessed? He confessed!

answer fromjake94 on January 21, 2012, 12:23 pm

But that's right!

'He has confessed' - colloquially that is more southern German (you come from Bavaria, right? ?

LG
Kerstin

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Re: He confessed? He confessed!

answer fromLeya07 on January 21, 2012, 12:24 pm

Yes, you are thinking correctly in principle ;-) However, it is usually used with has: "He was standing there on the bank when ...", so it is a bit confusing. Probably the teacher made a mistake. Is is correct ;-)

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Re: He confessed? He confessed!

answer fromLeya07 on January 21, 2012, 12:26 pm

Oh, I just see two answers exactly opposite. Take a look at Wiki:
http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/haben_%28Konjugation%29
there it is. But hardly anyone would say "He stood on the bank" in the sentence.

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No Leya07 ...

answer fromjake94 on January 21, 2012, 12:27 pm

... 'is' is wrong!

LG
Kerstin

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Re: He confessed? He confessed!

answer fromsmily-tina on January 21, 2012, 12:30 p.m.

http://konjugator.reverso.net/konjugation-deutsch-verb-haben.html

It also says "is" ...

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Addendum

answer fromsmily-tina on January 21, 2012, 12:31 pm

No, there are both forms. Are both forms correct?
But it seems that "has confessed" was only "recognized" later, right?

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No, "has confessed" is NOT correct!

answer fromjotasi on January 21, 2012, 12:31 pm

It is called "got sanded".
Here's a good explanation of why:

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/zwiebelfisch/0,1518,346929,00.html

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So the ear grew to YOU, J .... ;-)

answer fromFlake of butter on January 21, 2012, 12:43 pm

It grew differently for me, just like the Schabel :-)

For me (Berliner), "has stood" sounds totally wrong!

"Has confessed" is definitely correct.
I haven't read it again now, but I think my mother (teacher) once explained to me that you can now also say "confessed". Hopefully I didn’t remember that wrongly ... because as I said, I didn’t look it up!

They say "down here" ... * g * or in Ö. also like "I sat" instead of "I sat" ... etc ...

Due to the usage in certain regions, the thing is now probably ALSO possible and not wrong.

Originally correct (he) is, in my opinion, "he was standing on the bank" .........

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he stood on the bank

answer fromsusiwhite on January 21, 2012, 12:48 pm

what about it?

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Re: This is how YOU grew your ear, J .... ;-)

answer fromCare Bears on January 21, 2012, 12:50 p.m.

I stand (present tense)

I stood (past tense, past tense)

I've confessed (perfect)

I confessed (past perfect)

I will stand (future tense I)

I will have confessed (future tense II)

That's how I learned at school and loved conjugating verbs and generally speaking German

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Addendum

answer fromCare Bears on January 21, 2012, 12:55 pm

To answer your question

"He was standing on the bank" is the indicative perfect form and absolutely correct!

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Re: Ok, so it stood ;-)

answer fromLeya07 on January 21, 2012, 1:05 pm

I didn't look carefully there.

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Re: But @ lucky bears ..... @ all

answer fromjoso1 on January 21, 2012, 2:07 pm

But luck bears, in your explanation you first write under perfect ".. have stood" and not "have stood" in the addendum you write "have stood" - yes, nu?

Thank you all, I have now read all the notes and I am "... as smart as before ..." poor fool me " .
The most amusing is the "onion fish explanation"
thanks to all
Johanna and yes I come from southern Germany Born and lived in Bavaria for many years, now in southern Baden

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Look here

answer fromkikipt on January 21, 2012, 2:14 pm

http://konjugator.reverso.net/konjugation-deutsch-verb-haben.html

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Re: But @ lucky bears ..... @ all

answer fromvallie on January 21, 2012, 2:15 p.m.

* whisper * Johanna, to me "has stood" sounds more than weird and I remember colleagues who said: I AM started ...

always for me: he stood up and I started.

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Re: look here

answer fromJosephine on January 21, 2012, 2:16 pm

it says:
He was standing on the bank.

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Addendum ...

answer fromJosephine on January 21, 2012, 2:17 pm

.... but everyone would say:

He stood on the bank.

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Objection vallie

answer fromFlake of butter on January 21, 2012, 2:49 pm

those were not real (sau) prices .......... Please Notice: This is an automatically translated article!
Not sure!

And that's why I say yes: as my ear has grown: In the north, "I confessed" sounds really stupid. I grew up with "I was standing in line". (and there I often stood ... * g *)

HERE in Bavaria I mainly hear where the people ARE. Always sounded really weird to me, but I've got used to it now.

However, one HAS (!) Started always and everywhere. I really can't imagine anything else.

But my ... what I'm hearing here. Child 2 recently played with his dearest friend Cheyenne Schackeline until she had to "AT THE GRANDMA" ......
Most find it normal here, but I'm afraid that this time it is unfortunately NOT the region.

I know why the poor guy needs speech therapy .....

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Yes, when conjugating the simple verb "Stand" it also says in the perfect tense: I AM

answer fromCare Bears on January 21, 2012, 2:52 p.m.

confessed BUT at the sentence you mentioned: Stand on the bank

it becomes, in the 3rd person singular (he / she / it):

He DID stand on the bank. Now there is again the fact that you also have to conjugate "have", otherwise the sentence does not make any sense!

To have:

He has

He had

He had (perfect)!

He had had

He will have

He will have had

And since the sentence is yes:

Standing on the bank results in:

He was standing on the bank!

I don't know how to explain


If you create a question from it, it should read:

What did he do?

Answer:

He DID stand on the bank!

You don't ask:

What is he made of?

Do you understand how i mean it?

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Re: objection vallie

answer fromvallie on January 21, 2012, 2:54 p.m.

you know what Prussia is for Bavaria ...

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Re: Yes, when conjugating the simple verb "haben" it also says in the perfect tense: I AM

answer fromSakra on January 21, 2012, 4:44 pm

why does it have to be so complicated ???


for me he was on the bank ;-)

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Lol, Sakra. you're absolutely right, why isn't that enough? ;-) o.w.T

answer fromCare Bears on January 21, 2012, 5:25 pm

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Re: @ Care Bears - Your attempt to explain does not work

answer fromName fairy on January 21, 2012, 5:53 p.m.

because I also ask "What DID he do?" - "He went to school."
The one has nothing to do with the other.

Both are possible, in southern Germany, Austria and CH the perfect formation with "sein" is correct ...

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Re: Duden instead of onion fish

answer fromName fairy on January 21, 2012, 5:56 pm

I rather believe the dictionary, which states both as correct ;-)

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Re: He confessed? He confessed!

answer fromwauwi on January 21, 2012, 6:29 pm

As far as I know, it says in
D: has stood and in
A: has confessed
Movements are formed with sein and there is probably a movement in A, but not in D.

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Re: He confessed? He confessed!

answer fromSilvia3 on January 21, 2012, 7:16 pm

When I read your question, I first thought you were kidding us here or it was an ironic request. But apparently you come from a corner of Germany where they say he confessed.

He confessed is the best standard German and completely correct, while He confessed sounds totally strange to my ears, nobody says here (Northern Germany).

Silvia

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Answer here:

answer fromaquarius63 on January 21, 2012, 8:40 pm

http://www.canoo.net/services/OnlineGrammar/Wort/Verb/Tempora/HabenSein.ht

So: the man stood on the bank (unless the man is an oak tree and as such is rooted there - but then it would have been: stood ;-))

Lg
JAcky

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Look at Wikipedia

answer fromLike on January 21, 2012, 8:41 pm

"Perfect with" have "or" to be "[edit]

In German, the perfect tense of the overwhelming number of verbs is formed with the auxiliary verb “haben”, among other things in all transitive as well as reflexive or reflexively used verbs.

The auxiliary verb “sein” is used to form the perfect tense of a group of intransitive or intransitive verbs that express a change of location (“from A to B”: come, go, drive, jump). These verbs are called movement verbs. Example: “I drove the car” - but: “I drove you.” The perfect tense also forms a group of verbs that express a change of state (transition from one state to another) (wake up, die, wither) also with "to be".

There are regional differences in the formation of the perfect tense of verbs of the position (stand, sit, lie etc.) - in the northern part of Germany with “have”, in Austria, Switzerland and large parts of southern Germany with “sein” (I am confessed, he sat). Both are considered correct. For transferred word meanings ("he has sat" = "he was in prison") the forms with "haben" are also used in the southern German-speaking area. "


explains it quite well

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ERRATA CORRIGE: Sorry ... just the other way around

answer fromaquarius63 on January 21, 2012, 8:41 pm

The solution is: the man HAS stood on the bank

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Re: @ Care Bears - Your attempt to explain does not work

answer fromCare Bears on January 21, 2012, 9:14 pm

Ok, I guess you're right. I was just trying to explain somehow and in this case, well, with the sentence at issue, I couldn't think of any other explanation

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