Who takes defensive driving online

Drive defensively - avoid accidents

  • Hello everybody,

    (If you get annoyed by warm shower posts, please just skip it )

    I (beginner, 46) have been dealing very intensively with accident statistics lately and among other things have read through the entire "Accident Thread" here. I can't really afford to lie in hospital for long periods of time (or to be dead), because I'm self-employed and for other reasons - but everyone's probably the same.

    So I would like to try to make ends meet if possible without an accident. I would like to ask that people who have been driving accident-free or with few accidents for a long time write how they managed it (apart from luck). Are there any good tips for safety fanatics like me on how to increase your chances of fewer falls and collisions?

    For example, what I noticed in the "accident thread":

    Drivers who turn right or turn left on the approaching road take the right of way. Since this does not often lead to accidents with sometimes nasty consequences, it does inevitably lead to unavoidable accidents: Would it not then be logical to take action, either

    - "dangling around" to draw attention to yourself (although I think that a can driver could also misinterpret "come you go first ...";)

    - as a rule, a maximum of 50 cans that turn in or turn off to be driven past

    - or extremely defensive: If someone wants to turn from the right, always turn right beforehand, even if you don't want to go there - afterwards back on the road - you have time

    - If an oncoming person wants to turn left, drive up to the right and to let him in first?

    Sounds ridiculous, but what if it drastically reduces the likelihood of accidents?

    Another question to which I have not yet found an answer: What are the safest speeds?

    Would you rather go very slowly to make it easier to overtake cans?

    Or always allowed speed to "swim along" and not provoke overtaking or too strong a collision?

    Surely there are empirical values ​​for town, country road and motorway.

    It is clear to me that there are driving styles or tips that increase driving fun and accordingly require compromises in safety and I will not do without them completely once I have more practice. Especially fast driving or rapid cornering ensure feelings of happiness.

    Are there any insider tips? Where and when can you really step on the gas with little risk? For example on Sunday mornings - few cars, no trucks. Are there certain days (times)?

    If there has ever been a Fred there who answers my questions and whom I overlooked during the search, I ask for the link.

  • I haven't been riding a motorcycle for very long, but at junctions I have always kept it so that when the opposite lane is free and a car is in the junction and wants to get out, only change my speed slightly because I can swerve to the left or before that switch to the left. If the oncoming lane is occupied, I reduce my speed until the person has hopefully recognized me. Eye contact helps!

    I've ridden well so far. Only yesterday (unfortunately) I had to test the alternative method for almost 100 things. Just didn't see me because the junction was surrounded by crash barriers.

    And otherwise always check the subsurface with extreme precision that prevents possible slips.

    Follow me - I follow you!
    Flexible in level

  • Hi Mike Juliet,
    So, Sunday morning is very bad, because there is little drive, but all those who are not very safe or inexperienced use the free roads.

    You are more likely to draw attention to yourself with a, permitted, louder, more conspicuous moped! Not with strange driving.

    Turning, even if you don't want to, not only sounds ridiculous, it is. It has nothing to do with defensive driving.
    Unsafe driving is an even greater traffic risk!
    There is no such thing as an ideal speed, it always depends on the situation!
    Swimming is really good, nothing provokes anything.

    The most important thing, however, is always to reckon with the mistakes of others! Keep your eyes wider than in the car, much wider! Always expect the unforeseen, always be ready to react! Drive so that you still have a safety cushion. To brake, to evade, to react! Be attentive.

    Hey, you can be a bit brisk, have fun without being reckless.

    And you can't build against all risks. But practice makes perfect! Safety training can also help to better assess situations.

    Ciao M G V 2

  • The right speed doesn't exist, it just happens at the wrong time in the wrong place I was torn apart at 40 km / h, it cost me half a year, if I had been a little faster or slower, nothing would have happened. I see it that way. You just can't rule out everything, just count on the mistakes of the others then you minimize, only one thing you mustn't be.

  • I also dealt with the topic quite intensively. This is what came out of it:

    • Wear all the protective clothing there is, on every journey. I don't know if I could still walk today without a separate back protector. If you find it too difficult to get dressed for the short drive, walk or ride a bike. Your motorcycle will thank you too.
    • Maybe not just dress in black (My helmet is silver)
    • Really switch on the light - check the light source regularly
    • Use blinkers sensibly and switch them off again
    • If possible, drive in the same way as driving a car in terms of speed and distance to the vehicle in front - and just not to the right at the edge! People think you're slow and don't see you until late when they come from the right.
    • The stopping distance must always be less than the visual range. Brake down accordingly in front of bends that are not visible, even if it costs an incline and many apparently have no problem driving as if a marshal was standing in front of the bend.
    • do not drive up close, even if you want to pass
    • Do not overtake in front of intersections, driveways or even the smallest junctions
    • Occasionally practice emergency braking or have ABS, very many fall when doing the emergency braking
    • Check the tires and their profile on the front and rear wheels regularly and do not drive under 1 mm
    • and most importantly, don't drive like an asshole

    I didn't pay attention to the last two points, otherwise I would still be accident-free. The last one accounts for around half of all accidents - solo accidents, most of them due to excessive speed.

    You drive without cars on the racetrack, in driver safety training and, to a limited extent, on long summer evenings or during the soccer World Cup. Sunday mornings would be too cold for me.

    But there are accidents that cannot be avoided. E.g. being shot down from behind when standing at the traffic lights. There is a residual risk that cannot be denied or avoided. But other hobbies are also dangerous ...

  • It occurs to me:

    - Do driving safety training
    - Drive defensively, but not unsafe; no fear
    - Swim with traffic
    - To be seen is everything (I often swerve to be seen; do not drive close behind motorcades)
    - Don't skimp on your equipment and always wear it
    - drive, drive, drive


  • a few more points:

    - Look for eye contact with those turning left or those entering.
    - get used to going through your options.
    an example:

    An oncoming car brakes and has set the left indicator. In your head, depending on the distance, the following should happen:
    - now I could still brake
    - now I have to swerve to the left
    - from now on I would have to give rubber and move to the right

    Over time this becomes automatic and you always react correctly.

    The basis for this is of course an appropriate mastery of the machine. Just driving driving driving is not enough. you have to practice swift evasive action, as well as effective braking.

    If you drive too fearfully, accidents are inevitable. If you slow down because someone could take the right of way, the next dork will probably drive you on the back.

    So, keep your eyes open, all your senses on reception, sensible equipment, and always mastering the machine, then that’s something.

    Have fun

  • Just don't leave everyone waiting when you have eye contact. They see you, but they don't really take it because their thoughts are elsewhere.

    Oh yes: I also look at the front wheels of the car that is about to turn into the street.
    You can see right away when he wants to drive off. Faster than anywhere else in the car

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    I wouldn't call myself an aggressive driver now, but something can always happen. You cannot always solve the mistakes of others yourself. So it is much more important to limit the damage, so always wear good protective clothing and learn how to unwind

    Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    - Oscar Wilde

  • @file
    I also didn't write anything about leaving. Protective clothing does not offer absolute safety either. Still, I put them on.

    Eye contact is just one piece of the mosaic in the overall picture.

  • That's not how it was meant zottelc I just wanted to add that to your post

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    I read about you in another thread that you are on the country road
    70-80 drive. So you're the problem on the street.
    Especially if you want to "make room" and turn right.
    Then someone squeezes past you, there is oncoming traffic and you will
    pushed away. Take the 100-110, it will make you safer than if you did
    are too slow. And above all pretty far to the left, also behind columns.
    And with enough distance.

    If you've got an accident on your mind all the time, then something really happens soon.
    Free yourself, take it easy, and to put your mind at ease you can take out life insurance. With that you can definitely do the whole thing
    Let it take it easy.

    Courage, it will be fine

  • Well written straight line, I agree!

    "drive slowly to make overtaking cans easier" huh, is it still ???? I will not let myself be overtaken and certainly not by cans!

    It doesn't mean bad, but there are some things you shouldn't think too much about. It happens what happens! You don't have to drive like a wild boar (at least not always;)) but riding a motorcycle should be a bit of fun, otherwise I'll leave it.

    I think it's praiseworthy that you approach the matter so responsibly, but don't overdo it. Besides, I can't afford to die either, I still have to pay off a house .

    Best wishes

  • Hihi, who can afford to die? ... pay off even without a house. Although, Olli, as a house payer you should have term life insurance ...

    In principle, I always think it's good if you think about the risks and what to do in traffic. However, it is also a bit like that at the age of 46, as a beginner, you may not be as impartial as you are as a youngster.
    Perhaps you should just let things go a little, knowing that in your forties you will no longer take many risks that can be extremely dangerous for young people.
    Nevertheless, even with a lot of experience in road traffic, one should not underestimate how it feels to be with a completely different vehicle such as a motorcycle. Many things are completely different, and there is also the physical aspect to driving a car - after all, motorcycling is a combination of perception and movement. That is why I always recommend safety training, but also reading, e.g. "Motorcycle training every day" (Berndt Spiegel).

    Have fun and ... carry on

  • It is clear to you that with such threads (accident thread, accident avoidance thread, etc.) you are quite unsettling the future motorcycle riders like me ...

  • Good Morning!

    Even if some are crying now:
    Riding a motorcycle defensively is not really possible.

    at least not in the sense of the starting post. The main advantage of the motorcyclist in traffic is his agility. If I ride my motorcycle "as if I were driving a car", i.e. staying in the queue in a column, even though there is room (for a motorcycle!), I miss the point of riding two wheels. And please don't tell me that it would still be fun .... I'm not self-tormenting.
    Motorcycles are smaller and faster - and this at the price of passive safety (the ballast passenger cell is missing). And that is precisely why motorcyclists have to be much more careful, foresighted and active in road traffic. "Strolling" and "sleeping around", as is quite common with the can, is not possible, not even when cruising through the summer forest. Applying the brakes briefly is not an option. Physics never sleeps ...

    So please don't confuse "drive defensively" with "stick back". In critical situations it will almost always be the two-wheeler who has to act, because he is - also and especially from the point of view of a motorist! - the faster one.

    I think the thread creator's considerations are superfluous very quickly if he has been an active motorcyclist for a while. Driving safety training helps, especially with "head people" ...
    But if you have priority and always see risk avoidance first, then, in my opinion, you are out of place on a motorcycle.


    Yeah, I realize ...

    Just do go ahead.

  • Hello. I haven't been riding a motorcycle for a long time (around 9 months) but have already covered 30,000 kilometers without an accident. Others have to drive that in two years * g *.

    So I always keep a safe distance. Especially since I'm not a professional brakeman yet.

    When I drive behind a car, I always drive on the left at the level of its left tires. If he brakes hard, I can swerve to the left.

    While driving, I subconsciously look for an emergency escape route in every situation.

    If I'm unsure about a curve, I brake harder and drive slowly through there.

    Always plan in reserves. A curve that you cannot see can always have gravel, an oil trail or I know what. A car can also stand sideways.

    All the low-flying aircraft seem to have flight radar * g *.

    In a group, I find driving somehow more dangerous because I often do things that I would NEVER do alone. This is not good because you are being pushed to your limits. Always only ride the way you feel good.